F. J. M. S., ESTAFADOR, FRAUD

Asi? mi trabajo son las commodities. Cuales son las pruebas que tienes para mencionar que moranta es impostor.
Haz tratado de hacer negocios con el o te lo han dicho?
Un Saludo,:S

Dear Pupeto,

I Goggle "francisco jaime m. s.", and come to this page with your comment, we are mandate for buyer in China, trying to close a deal with "francisco jaime m. s.", can you advise the quote from Luisdel and me, thank you so much.

Sylvie

Hemos sido victimas de esta persona, con graves consecuencias. Si quieren comprobarlo esperen a que cumpla un contrato y lo verán.

Yes,he is a FAKE !
Be CAREFUL !
We are victim too!

Pls Sylvie, dont believe what these guys are saying. First of all I met Mr. Moranta personally wich makes the assumption that he is fake absolutely no valid.

Second,the financial strain in Spain is making it very difficult for their banks to work with PB, LC, or any other credit instrument ...and this happens to Mr Moranta and also to other sellers...I myself have experienced these problems before with other sellers,but as I know a little bit about economy and business I know what the causes of this situation are,so I just would like people to think twice before they claim that someone is a scammer.

Regards

I agree with you Manuel23, I have spoken with Mr. Moranta. and is seeking a solution to all contracts, is subrogated to another company.

Regards,

understand that you can feel offended by any comments but you have to swallow because this is a page to report to present ideas or criticism of people if you are not agree to that also exponlo tell you they are all crooks qui until proven otherwise and you can tell me now show that this person is not another scam artist if you can I will be silent if you can not shut up your greeting

Hi, thanx for all the informative replays regarding my concern with our used rail deal thats current which is being facillated by Francisco J.M.please would you kindly provide his banking cordernates and pysical address provided to you in contracts before in order to confirm that they are the as the information given to me.

This deal has been going on for 13 weeks now and we are about to luanch the final non operative transferable letter of credit to obtain pop and pb,please assit me in avoiding a mistake that would be damaging to me and our buyers relationship.Your urgent responce will be greatly appreciated.

thanks

Sylvie

please do not waste time or money, this person has nothing, has no material, no money to enforce a contract.

Agradezco la posibilidad de poder contar nuestra experiencia, pero nadie puede defender las irresponsables maniobras de esta persona firmando contratos millonarios, solicitando instrumentos de pago bancarios internacionales, cuando no hay nada que avale sus dichos y con solo pedir un RAI o un informe de situación financiera o legal de este vendedor de ilusiones se darían cuenta de inmediato que todo se trata de un gran montaje.

Este senor no tiene nada de nada,y siempre haciendo perder tiempo a la gente,le recomendamos que se vaya a un medico!

Estoy totalmente de acuerdo con Usted, esta tan mal de la cabeza, que en términos legales es inimputable y carente de capacidad juridica para ser llevado ante un tribunal.

INTERNATIONAL TRADES: SOME DEFINITIONS

Roles in trades can't be an option: or you are a broker, or you are a seller/buyer.
Brokers can't be sellers, just because they don't have any products to sell.
Same we don't need to demonstrate that a broker can never become a buyer because he will never have enough money for the purchase (if he would have it, then he would close the deal immediately).

Rules are instead represented by the same agreements ad contracts that everyone of the involved parties subscribes in the deal.

Is it clear that?

BROKER OR SCAMMER?

Anyone that confuses these simple fundamentals is therefore a stupid or a scammer, but since the stupidity is not a category in trades, we can hence consider the scammer only.

Any attempt to offer on the market unexisting gods or services is a scam without exceptions, and must be not only reported tothe law enforcements, but also published to any board or blacklist, to avoid new victims of these jerks.

If you offer a product without having it you are not only a liar, but the deal becames a fraud because it always involves more people/groups that spent their money/time.

What really sucks today and kill the deals are the so many people playing with commodities, the so-called "shoppers" (brokers manipulating documents, fake sellers and fake buyers).

But you are wrong if you think that just a PC and Internet can make a broker...

Same, if you sign a contract and you will not able to perform it for any reason, you are simply a fraudster, and for that you will have to pay for all the damages (lost commissions for the mediators, and missing profit for the buyer, plus remboursement for all the banking charges and waste of time).
Stop.

The commodities are not a game as many of them can think (see the above posts).
When you enter this world you are responsable for any word that you write down, you have always to ponderate exactly any term that you use: there is no room for mistakes or misunderstandings here.

Anyone that fails in trades therefore has to pay in some way, and mostly if international trades: in Paris the ICC Dispute Center has been created just for this reason, even if it is not the only tool for safe trades (the costs to initiate an international dispute are rather high today, and it is a very complex procedure).

I hope that everyone agrees on this point.

Now the fact is that Mr. Moranta has signed and notarized tons contracts that he can not perform, and as for we know that for any kind of commodity: iron ore, used rails, sugar and so on.

We have signed late in May 2011 a contract for a total of 1,800,000MT of used rails with him: now we are almost in november and we have not yet seen ... one only screw!
He also signed the ICC Warning Letter...
Is this serious?

A DIRTY GAME

Still in July and August 2011 we have received several complaints from our custommers saying that Moranta closed cotracts that then he never performed: we can provide upon request names, proofs, any info or detail about that.
We've also sent a copy of them to the same Moranta asking for an explanation.

At first Moranta never replied, but then, upon our pressure, he told us that he never issued those documents, and that as for him they were all fake.
But why our clients should have wasted time to produce counterfait FCOs in Moranta's letterhead and with his seal/signature?

Is it another case? Or is really Moranta himself a victim instead?

No, just two days ago I myself stopped anoher group from Korea that was recently contacted by Moranta to sign a huge contract of sugar ICUMSA 45 from Brazil!
How is it possible?

Moranta also never replies our emails or calls, and when he does it, he always sends two lines in spanish that no one person in all the Latin America (Spain included) could understand one only word till now!

There is a long list of reasons because he can't reply or attend at the phone: he can't speak english, as you know.
So one day he says that he can't reply because the office is closed for holydays, the day after that he had a car incident, tomorrow he will say that his dog is dead and so on...

Is it professional?

A CASH MACHINE

Finally, another company from Costarica informed us last week that Mr. has offered them for sale a full package of more than 100 contracts.
If this is true, it means that Moranta's contracts are just made for free, that's not for selling real gods, but rather for collecting reserved infos only.

It's clear: Moranta probably hopes to resell these infos then to third parties on the Internet.

Now we do know that some infos can have a different price depending from the target.
I mean that if Moranta offers me a contract of D2 I wouldn't give him a penny because I don't care, not working with D2.
But what if he offers the same infos to someone that is looking for that only?

And how much would pay that person for all the infos embedded in a contract that has been also notarized already?

Just to compare it, many services on the internet are selling tons of generic email lists at the price of 1 USD/email (that's for pure "spam")...

Other services, more professional, offer softwares to extract specific records (search results by specific keyword or category) from local Yellow Pages/Paginas Amarillas with rates going from 99 to 4,000 USD .

We all know that Google too has an advertising program called Google-Adwords that allows to "buy" contacts, whose price is generally between 10 ad 500$ for any "targetted email" (assuming as average that every 20 clicks there is a contact, depending from the keyword that you bid for)...
But there is a substantial difference: while Google regularly sells infos following strictly all the rules and regulamentations in their agreement, Moranta steals other people infos and time without any authorization!

Who really knows what is really the price that Moranta asks for a signed contract on the parallel market?
If it was just 100 USD/each, being these infos more relevat than a generic email, Moranta should now have gained more than 10,000 USD only with the guy above!

That is weird, and it's a well-known crime persecuted by all the international laws as "phishing" (stealing of identities and personal infos for illegal activities).

Someone fears that all these reserved infos like banking infos and copies of passports could as well be used to create fake documents or to organize new scams on the underground circuits: who can guaratee that it will happen?

Or are we all waiting for Interpol that a day knocks at our door for a crime that we even don't know but made using our personal infos?

Our sensation is however that Moranta is not out of bussiness now, but he is still active and planning every day new frauds all around.

And all his contracts look like more paper toilette.
But if the spanish police in Alicante ("Guardia Civil") continues in sleeping and leaves this guy having fun of the whole world, we can't tollerate that any more.

Yes, it's time to stop this guy because he is now the public danger number one for commodities, and his dirty technics soon could be emulated by thousands of clones in any country, with the consequence of creating serious troubles for anyone of us.

Definitely.

PS: if you needs more infos please feel free to contact me

La realidad con la que usted describe el accionar de este estafador, asusta. Estamos totalmente de acuerdo. Existen ,mas de 180 contratos firmados. Lamentablemente la justicia no llega. Pero tenemos entendido que hay mucha gente que lo busca para hacer justicia por mano propia.